On The Iraq War

copied and pasted from my posts on PhysicsForums)

Ahhh, mmmmmm, errrrr. I have a hard time dealing with the hardcore, pro-war stance.

“A world court, world government or any international body restricting the activities of the USA in protecting its citizens and interests is a complete anathema to me.”

I don’t think that anyone believes otherwise. The debatable point is whether Iraq posed a direct threat to US citizens to protect against.

“In all matters, the USA will try to proceed in a manner agreeable to the 45 nations who supported us in the war.”

I know Australia’s one but the vast majority of the population of Oz wouldn’t agree. The US also has unilateral agreements with other nations which effectively exempt them from being accused of war crimes. Who is manipulating the UN and does the US really care if they do things which are agreeable? (I also marched in a 100,000 protest)

“The Palestinians must have a secure and economically viable homeland. Israel must help economically and be much less rigid in its policies. An economic partnership of Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel would be a wonderful thing.”

Agreed.

“N. Korea is not an immediate threat to the USA. It is an immediate threat to its neighbors, who must act in their own self-interest to avoid preemptive action by the USA.”

Huh???

“Iran, with some covert help from the USA, is likely to align itself with the USA once it achieves a totally secular government.”

What the…???

“Well Zero, I would like to agree with you. Other peoples, however, have interests in violent opposition to our interests. What course of action do we follow when peaceful means fail?”

I’m in shock and awe???

I don’t usually resort to this and I know that this is not an argument which holds much water, but you are obviously on drugs. Or maybe it’s me and your post is all just an hallucination. Seriously, wake up and smell the public opinion.

In answer to the original questions

Will the Iraqi people be free to decide the fate of their oil?

Of course not. The majority of oil will go to the US under rules set down by the US. After they put US contractors in, they will probably change the food for oil program into a oil for rebuilding program.

“Do they have the right to have it traded in EU Dollars after the ‘rebuild’?”

Seems like a fair question. Why anyone should think they they should trade in US dollars is beyond me. The US does not own the world, even though they might hold them to ransom

“Who should be the ones deciding?”

After the disaster of the war, that’s a difficult question to answer. Iraq will probably be split into a whole heap of political factions, but should free elections be held then it would be logical that the new Iraqi government do it.

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I was actually saying that saying he was on drugs wasn’t an argument, but the drug induced reference was based on the quotes I posted. Have a look at them again. You mustn’t have read them the first time. The comments range from extreme fantasy to completely missed irony.

I don’t agree with terrorism. It is a horrible thing. The US government is out and proud about it though under the guise of a war against it. It is a frustrating and all too real joke. If the US directed the money they are putting into this war into more helpful programs, maybe we wouldn’t have come to this. We could have won the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people long ago. Maybe they would have had the courage to overthrow the government themselves. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, the US is flexing it’s muscles to make the rest of the world terrified. What ever you do don’t cross the US decision makers. They are nuts. If I was a conspiricy theorist I would almost say that the US government is deliberately putting the US at risk in order to justify it’s gradual taking over of the rest of the world. But I’m not, so I won’t

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It’s very unlike me to resort to name calling. This situation unfortunately reduces me to a childlike state. I sit in complete wonderment at how this situation has arisen for any other reason than American financial interests.

I saw today that the coalition troops had found a store of chemicals. If the footage they showed was this store, it was basically a shed with 20 or so 44 gallon drums. The soldiers wore gas masks but not chemical suits. How bad could it actually be.

The WOMD are simply not there. Even if they were, it would seem that there is no way that the Iraqis could deliver them. The Al Samoud missiles that were destroyed before the beginning of the conflict had a range, from memory, 13kms beyond the maximum allowed under the UN charter.

I saw some footage this morning of Basra, where locals were cheering on the coalition troops. Thank god someone is happy.

I am no supporter of dictatorships. Especially tyrranical dictatorships, but that is not the reason this war has been waged. It has been waged because the US government is not interested in working with Islamic states to become self sustaining without having control over them, so they need to set up a base within the middle east. The fact that they are weak, that Saddam was not particularly liked by his neighbours, and that they have heaps of oil, is a huge bonus as well.

If American people want to believe that they are not complicit in an empire building project, or recognise it and think it’s a good idea, that is a sad thing. It is also of grave concern to anyone who actually values freedom.

Like I said before, don’t cross the US.

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